So, what's this documentary all about? Geocentricism. Bob has long been a proponent of geocentrism, which "physically" is a non-science. The universe does not physically revolve around the Earth, however it seems in this new documentary (slated for release in Spring of 2014) the approach does not seem to be quite so much on the literally physical center of the universe - as in everything revolving around our little Earth; rather it appears they are saying that all things in the universe appear to point toward Earth. The Earth is in a rather unique spot in all the universe, the only spot which can sustain life.
My first thought? I'm impressed. Now, I would really like to see the rest of the documentary. What are these scientists saying, in context? What is Bob saying, in context?
Feel free to leave your comments here, I'm sure Bob is watching too. Bob also has a Facebook page for this documentary: https://www.facebook.com/theprinciplemovie and he has a website for it too:
http://theprinciplemovie.com/
Thanks so much for the article! Just to clarify: "The Principle" is about....well, "The Principle"! That is, the film is about the Copernican Principle, the foundational metaphysical assumption of the modern scientific world.
ReplyDeleteIt is, so far as I can determine, the first documentary film about this most profound idea in the history of science.
It is not true that "The Principle" is about geocentrism; Dr. Sungenis has a film about geocentrism in development.
Geocentrism is, of course, a profoundly important part of the story of "The Principle", and suffice it to say that if there were a stock market for cosmological theories, geocentrism would be off the pink sheets for the first time in a couple of centuries.
But there are other viewpoints expressed and considered in "The Principle".
Thanks again!
Hello Rick,
DeleteI encourage the discussion on this subject. As I stated previously, I am not convinced of the geocentric arguments. I was, however, intrigued by the approach which seems to be being taken in "The Principle." I look forward to seeing it. Will it also air on "The Science Channel?" It appears to be in the format of some of their other programming.
AMDG,
Scott<<<
Hey Scott,
DeleteI agree with you that taken by itself examining the Copernican principle scientifically and philosophically is unproblematic (although it's a bad theological argument), but I think it's definitely problematic as a stepping stone to further advance geocentrism. You might find this new site helpful:
www.geocentrismdebunked.org
Hi Dave, I took a look at the site and it looks like you've put a lot of effort into it! I will definitely be looking back at it again.
DeleteThe intriguing point for me is one Bob made in the trailer, that the "temperature disturbances throughout the universe... were all pointing to the Earth!" I would like to see this explained and documented.
DeleteScott: At present we are in the final stages of assessment for our suitability for something we certainly never expected- a theatrical release financed by a very well-known and credential led independent film financier. I will know within the next couple of weeks whether we have put together a strong enough initial showing in our initial marketing test to overcome what, as I am sure anyone could understand, would be the natural reticence to put the required millions of dollars behind even a small theatrical release for a film that is heavy on the science, heavy on the history, heavy on the philosophy, heavy on the metaphysics, and light on car crashes and love scenes. If we get even a limited theatrical, it will end up being everywhere in terms of aftermarket; DVD, VOD, cable, etc.
ReplyDeleteDave:
ReplyDeleteAll due respect, I highly doubt that Bob or the other theorists presently developing scientific GC models are going to be particularly concerned about what you do or do not find problematic ;-)
Let's play nice now! :-) Again, as for me I am not yet convinced of any pro geocentric arguments, scientifically or theologically. I am willing to give a fair listen/watching to "The Principle" and I will encourage a healthy and civil discourse on the matter.
DeleteHello? Anybody there? Lawrence Krauss and Kate Mulgrew do NOT believe in geocentrism. They think it's bull. Kate was misled as to what she was voicing over, and Lawrence's quotes were as he says "mined".
ReplyDeleteI'll take science over Genesis any day. Genesis is fiction.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/09/1290655/-BS-artist-of-the-week-Robert-Sungenis
ReplyDeleteDear Ms. Catlover,
DeleteFor me, the jury is still out on this documentary. I have not seen it yet, have you? Since it has not been released yet (not until next week now, Oct. 24 is the latest announced date) and only a few have been able to preview the film, I doubt you have seen it.
Now, did I label the film as being one about geocentricism? Yes, I did, and was quickly reminded that it was not about geocentricism - but about The Copernican Principle. That being said, DeLano has been just as quick to acknowledge that Robert Sungenis is a geocentrist, but reiterates, that is NOT what this film is about. Ever since my first posting I've tried to remain objective and to give a fair shake to this project of DeLano and Sungenis, and of course I reserve my final judgment on the film until *I* see it. I had even considered flying to Chicago next week for the opening - but I have previous engagements which preclude me from doing so.
As for the "Daily Kos" article you refer to - I see it as an ill-informed "hit-piece" which is lashing out at Sungenis personally and on topics the film has nothing to do with. I've also read the blog written by DeLano on this and he clearly documents that Lawrence Krauss went into that interview with his eyes open. Now, will his words be taken out of context? We'll have to wait and see, won't we? Or, will we make uneducated assumptions and levy unsubstantiated attacks on something we have yet to see for ourselves?
Am I being taken down a Primrose Path on this? Again, we'll have to wait and see.
You also state that you believe Genesis is fiction and that you'd take science over Genesis any day, but the way I am hearing this - The Principle is demonstrating that science and Genesis don't have to be at odds with each other. Perhaps this is causing you to doubt your own world view and that is why you feel the need to lash out against a film you have not yet seen? How is THAT a scientific approach?
AMDG,
Scott<<<