Tradition and Authority


Catholic states:
In your worldview if one has a different understanding even on eternal matters of truth as in matters of faith and/or doctrine then they are the ones who must be wrong.  That makes YOU the ultimate authority, the pillar and bulwark of the truth if you will.


Protestant replies:
1. The word of God is the authority but you rob the authority with your tradition don't you? Matt:15:6
2. The called out separated ones (ecclesia) is the pillar and base of the truth aren't they?  1 Tim. 3:15

Catholic answers:
About comment #1
First, the Word of God is not wholly contained in Scripture (John 21:25). 

Second, I would only be robbing the authority of the word of God with our traditions IF I went against the Word of God instead of what you (mis)understand the written Word of God to mean. 

Third, the final authority given to us by God in understanding the Word of God (whether written or oral) is not Scripture or your understanding of Scripture but the Church.

About comment #2
Unless the Church is visible, somewhere to go to settle issues between the called out separated ones then the collection of called out separated ones cannot determine with authority what is true in such a matter as to settle the issue.  Without an authoritative Church, the Church is useless in settling issues making Jesus' directives moot in Mat 18:15-18 and Paul's description of the Church as useless in 1 Tim 3:15.



Protestant replies:
your spirit is dead.

END

What do you do when someone answers your well-thought out replies with something like this?  Sometimes the best thing to do is to just let it go.  You’ve done your job.  You’ve planted the seeds.  Hopefully, with the help of God and your ongoing prayers those seeds will germinate and grow.

God Bless
Nathan

Welcome Dana!

Welcome Dana Acly!  

Dana and I go back a few years on the Catholic Debate Forum and BattleACTS.  I've always appreciated his contributions and he is a welcome contributor here!

AMDG, 

Scott<<<

Luther on the Eucharist

Many Protestants reject the concept of the Real Presence of Jesus Christ with regard to the Eucharist, or as they refer to it more often "The Lord's Supper" or "Holy Communion" (we, Catholics, do use those terms too on occasion, the latter more than the former).  What IS the Catholic understanding of the Real Presence?

The Catholic belief/faith in the Real Presence is that upon consecration of the bread and wine, while maintaining the appearance of bread and wine the substance changes to become the body and blood of Jesus Christ. There is no change in what we see or perceive through our senses, the accidents (in philosophical language) remain but the substance, that is what something REALLY is, changes so that what we receive through the Eucharist IS the body and blood of Christ.  The scholastic or philosophical term for the Catholic position is "Transubstantiation" (trans = change and substantiation = substance, or a "change in substance").  For most Protestants they focus on "The Lord's Supper" as a memorial only - there is no change in the substance nor is there any special presence of Jesus Christ "in, on or under" (we'll get to that in a bit) with the bread or wine.  For those it is pure symbolism.

Now I said "most Protestants" for a reason - as SOME do still cling to some sort of belief in the Real Presence to one degree or another.  For example, officially speaking, Anglicanism (which Episcopalianism is part of), they have a very "Catholic" understanding of the Real Presence.  Lutherans, on the other hand (of which I am a former member) while accepting the Real Presence "with" the Eucharist do not believe the substance actually changes.  The term for what Lutherans believe is "Consubstantiation" (con = with) that is, they believe Jesus Christ is "in, on and under" the hosts of bread and wine - the substance does not change, but Christ is "with" the bread and wine.  Since I was born and raised in the Lutheran Church, I have a particular interest in their teachings and beliefs - so what did Luther himself teach on this subject?
Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present.
Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”  [—Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391; qtd on BFHU blog]
Note, while he insists upon the Real Presence, and even points to the unanimity of the Fathers of the Church, his language clings to Consubstantiation.

This next one, from Luther's Confession and the Lord's Supper, also shares a true belief in the Real Presence, but still a consubstantial understanding:
Christ has shown this to us not only by his own example and by his Word, but he has also pictured it to us in the form of the Sacrament of the Altar, namely, by means of the bread and the wine. We believe that the true body and blood of Christ is under the bread and wine, even as it is. Here we see one thing and believe another, which describes faith. For when we hear the Word and receive the Lord's Supper we have merely a word and an act, yet by it we embrace life and every treasure, even God himself.  [Confession and the Lord's Supper, by Martin Luther]
Jesus is under the bread and wine - LutherMuch of that piece is Luther railing against the pope and Catholicism in general regarding the practice of not giving the Cup to the faithful, only the bread/body of Christ.  That is another discussion though, so let us not be distracted by that discussion in discussing the subject of this article.  Getting back to the subject, notice the statement that "the true body and blood of Christ is under the bread and wine."  That is Consubstantiation.  Again, it is very close to the Catholic belief of Transubstantiation, and if the true faith were stated, he could have/should have said something like "We believe that the bread and the wine IS the true body and blood of Christ," and then there would be no doubt and an affirmation of the, to use Luther's word "unanimous" consent of the Early Church Fathers.

In short, Luther's belief, which is perpetuated in today's Lutheran teaching, is one which accepts the Real Presence of Jesus Christ with the Eucharist.  He brings you close, but not quite to what Jesus Christ Himself taught, and that is that "This IS My body" and "This IS My blood."


The scriptural TRUTH:

This IS My Body
 

Ledecky - Lifelong Catholic

Well, she's only 19!  Still her whole life has been in the Catholic faith - and that faith is very important to her.  In a recent interview she said:  ""My Catholic faith is very important to me. It always has been and it always will be. It is part of who I am and I feel comfortable practicing my faith. It helps me put things in perspective," (told to the Catholic Standard and quoted on Catholic Online).
                                                                                      [Photo, Sports Illustrated]
"She's the greatest athlete in the world today by far," Michael J. Joyner, an anesthesiologist and researcher for the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., specializing in human performance and physiology, told the Washington Post. "She's dominating by the widest margin in international sport, winning by 1 or 2 percent. If [a runner] won the 10,000 meters by that wide a margin, they'd win by 100 meters. One or 2 percent in the Tour de France, over about 80 hours of racing, would be 30 or 40 minutes. It's just absolutely remarkable." (Also quoted on Catholic Online).

Let me just say, WOW!  Katie was a joy to watch in the pool and it's so nice to see that she's not ashamed of her faith and lives it.  Way to go, Katie!  Looking forward to seeing you in Tokyo, 2020!

The Cassock


The cassock is black because it symbolizes that it is no longer the man who became a priest living within it, but Christ who lives within the priest.  He has died to his old self and anything which might separate him from Christ and now lives united in and for Christ.
  
The cassock traditionally has 33 buttons up the front, each representing one year in our Lord's life.  Each sleeve has 5 buttons, one for each wound Jesus received during His crucifixion.  The "Roman collar" is a sign of the priest's willing obedience to Christ and His Church.

The cassock is a sign to all who see him that he is a priest and servant of the Lord Most High.
(Posted by Dana Acly to Keeping Catholics Catholic on Facebook).


Simone Biles - Makes Time for Mass

http://aleteia.org/2016/08/07/simone-biles-is-busy-seeking-gold-but-still-manages-to-make-mass/?ru=593998cb83d69a79ecced8abbcc91524 

While training for gold, Simone still makes it to Mass and keeps a rosary in her bag, "just in case."  :-)


Congrats to the Olympic Champion!  Thanks for sharing too!




French Priest Martyred

The first French priest to be martyred since the French Revolution:


Pope Francis speaks about "Catholic violence..."


However, what is interesting is the Muslim response to the martyrdom of Fr. Hamel.

Ordinal v Ordinary

Written on the 12th Sunday After Pentecost

As some of you may know, who have been reading this blog and/or know me, I have a bit of a pet peave over calling this season "Ordinary Time."  There are so many feast days which go quite beyond what we, in the 21st Century, would call "ordinary!"  For example, yesterday, August 6th, was the Feast of the Transfiguration of Christ - what is so "ordinary" about that?  

ordinary:
1250-1300; Middle English ordinarie (noun and adj.) < Latin ordinārius regular, of the usual order, equivalent to ordin- (see order ) + -ārius -ary

Whereas "ordinal" would remain the more appropriate term:
ordinal —That form of the numeral that shows the order of anything in a series. 

adj. late 14c., from Old French ordinel and directly from Late Latin ordinalis ""showing order, denoting an order of succession," from Latin ordo (genitive ordinis) "row, series" (see order (n.)). Meaning "marking position in an order or series" is from 1590s.

Source:  ordinal. (n.d.). Online Etymology Dictionary. Retrieved August 7, 2016 from Dictionary.com website http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ordinal 
Both words come from the same Latin root - but the suffix -ary (or -ārius) leaves us thinking of "usual" or "common," which was NOT the original intent of the Ordinal Season.  

During "Ordinal Time" or "Counting Time" we count the weeks AFTER a given feast.  There are TWO ordinal times in the liturgical year, the weeks counted after Epiphany, prior to the season of Lent; and the weeks counted after Pentecost, prior to the season of Advent.  We "count" these weeks because they are variable lengths, both dependent upon the date of Easter.  When Easter comes earlier, the counting weeks after Epiphany are fewer and the counting weeks after Pentecost are more and obviously the reverse is true.  

One point in counting these weeks also brings focus back to not only those two great feasts, but also reminds us the whole liturgical calendar revolves around the greatest of feasts - Easter.  We lose the focus on Easter when we 1) just call it "Ordinary Time" and 2) when we combine the two Ordinal Times, for there is no set reference to the holiest of our holy days.  There are always the same number of "counting weeks" when we combine them, and one could suppose that makes the publication of missals and missalettes a bit easier, but for the sake of that "ease" - we have lost so much!

August 15 is the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, yet another far from "ordinary" feast which takes place during this season of "counting."

The Liturgical Year (Traditional)
DAY on the Liturgical Calendar

FIRST READING GOSPEL READING  (with links
to Nadal's Gospel Illustrations
)
First Sunday of Advent Rom 13:11-14a Luke 21:25-33
Second Sunday of Advent Rom 15:4-13 Matt 11:2-10
Third Sunday of Advent Phil 4:4-7 John 1:19b-28
Ember Wednesday in Advent  Isa 2:2-5  &  Isa 7:10-15 Luke 1:26-38
Ember Friday in Advent  Isa 11:1-5 Luke 1:39-47
Ember Saturday in Advent Isa 19:20-22;  Isa 35:1-7;
Isa 40:9-11;  Isa 45:1-8;
Dan 3:47-51, 52-56;  2 Thess 2:1-8
Luke 3:1-6
Fourth Sunday of Advent 1 Cor 4:1-5 Luke 3:1-6
Christmas Vigil (12/24) Rom 1:1-6 Matt 1:18b-21
Christmas: First Mass at Night Tit 2:11-15 Luke 2:1-14
Christmas: Second Mass at Dawn Tit 3:4-7 Luke 2:15-20
Christmas: Third Mass in Daytime Heb 1:1-12 John 1:1-14 &
Matt 2:1-12 (post-communion)
St. Stephen (12/26) Acts 6:8-10; 7:54-60 Matt 23:34-39
St. John (12/27) Sir 15:1-6 John 21:19-24
Holy Innocents (12/28) Acts 14:1-5 Matt 2:13-18
Sunday in Octave of Christmas Gal 4:1-7 Luke 2:33-40
St. Thomas Becket (12/29) Heb 5:1-6 John 10:11-16
Sixth Day in Octave of Christmas (12/30) Tit 3:4-7 Luke 2:15-20
St. Silvester (12/31) 1 Pet 5:1-4, 10-11 Matt 16:13-19
Circumcision of the Lord & Octave of Christmas (1/1) Tit 2:11-15 Luke 2:21
Holy Name of Jesus
(Sunday between Circumcision and Epiphany, or 1/2)
Acts 4:8-12 Luke 2:21
Vigil of Epiphany (1/5) Gal 4:1-7 Matt 2:19-23
Epiphany of the Lord (1/6) Isa 60:1-6 Matt 2:1-12 - second plate
Holy Family of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
(Sunday in the Octave of Epiphany)
Col 3:12-17 Luke 2:42-52
Weekdays after the First Sunday after Epiphany Rom 12:1-5 Luke 2:42-52
Octave of Epiphany / Baptism of Our Lord (1/13) Isa 60:1-6 John 1:29-34
Second Sunday after Epiphany Rom 12:6-16 John 2:1-11
*Third Sunday after Epiphany Rom 12:16c-21 Matt 8:1-13 - second plate
*Fourth Sunday after Epiphany Rom 13:8-10 Matt 8:23-27
*Fifth Sunday after Epiphany Col 3:12-17 Matt 13:24-30
*Sixth Sunday after Epiphany 1 Thess 1:2-10 Matt 13:31-35
Septuagesima Sunday 1 Cor 9:24-27; 10:1-5a Matt 20:1-16
Sexagesima Sunday 2 Cor 11:19-33; 12:1-9 Luke 8:4-15
Quinquagesima Sunday 1 Cor 13:1-13 Luke 18:31-43 - second plate
DAY FIRST READING GOSPEL READING
Ash Wednesday Joel 2:12-19 Matt 6:16-21 - second plate
Thursday after Ash Wednesday Isa 38:1-6 Matt 8:5-13
Friday after Ash Wednesday Isa 58:1-9 Matt 5:43-48; 6:1-4
Saturday after Ash Wednesday Isa 58:9-14 Mark 6:47-56
First Sunday in Lent 2 Cor 6:1-10 Matt 4:1-1 - 2nd plate - 3rd plate
Monday after First Sunday of Lent Ezek 34:11-16 Matt 25:31-46
Tuesday after First Sunday of Lent Isa 55:6-11 Matt 21:10-17
Ember Wednesday in Lent Exod 24:12-18  &  1 Kings 19:3-8 Matt 12:38-50
Thursday after First Sunday of Lent Ezek 18:1-9 Matt 15:21-28
Ember Friday in Lent Ezek 18:20-28 John 5:1-15
Ember Saturday in Lent Deut 26:12-19;  Deut 11:22-25;
2 Macc 1:23-26, 27;  Wis 36:1-10;
Dan 3:47-51, 52-56;  1 Thess 5:14-23
Matt 17:1-9
Second Sunday in Lent 1 Thess 4:1-7 Matt 17:1-9
Monday after Second Sunday of Lent Dan 9:15-19 John 8:21-29
Tuesday after Second Sunday of Lent 1 Kings 17:8-16 Matt 23:1-12
Wednesday after Second Sunday of Lent Esther 13:8-11, 15-17 Matt 20:17-28
Thursday after Second Sunday of Lent Jer 17:5-10 Luke 16:19-31 - 2nd plate - 3rd plate
Friday after Second Sunday of Lent Gen 37:6-22 Matt 21:33-46 - second plate
Saturday after Second Sunday of Lent Gen 27:6-40 Luke 15:11-32 - second plate
third plage - fourth plate
Third Sunday in Lent Eph 5:1-9 Luke 11:14-28
Monday after Third Sunday of Lent 2 Kings 5:1-15 Luke 4:23-30
Tuesday after Third Sunday of Lent 2 Kings 4:1-7 Matt 18:15-22
Wednesday after Third Sunday of Lent Exod 20:12-24 Matt 15:1-20
Thursday after Third Sunday of Lent Jer 7:1-7 Luke 4:38-44
Friday after Third Sunday of Lent Num 20:1-3, 6-13 John 4:5-42 - second plate
Saturday after Third Sunday of Lent Dan 13:1-9, 15-17, 19-30, 33-62 John 8:1-11
Fourth Sunday in Lent Gal 4:22-31 John 6:1-15 - 2nd plate - 3rd plate
Monday after Fourth Sunday of Lent 2 Sam 3:16-28 John 2:13-25
Tuesday after Fourth Sunday of Lent Exod 32:7-14 John 7:14-31
Wednesday after Fourth Sunday of Lent Ezek 36:23-28 & Isa 1:16-19 John 9:1-38
Thursday after Fourth Sunday of Lent 2 Kings 4:25-38 Luke 7:11-16
Friday after Fourth Sunday of Lent 1 Kings 17:17-24 John 11:1-45 - 2nd plate - 3rd plate
Saturday after Fourth Sunday of Lent Isa 49:8-15 John 8:12-20
Passion Sunday I Heb 9:11-15 John 8:46-59
Monday after Passion Sunday Jonah 3:1-10 John 7:32-39
Tuesday after Passion Sunday Dan 14:27, 28-42 John 7:1-13
Wednesday after Passion Sunday Lev 19:1-2, 11-19, 25 John 10:22-38
Thursday after Passion Sunday Dan 3:25, 34-45 Luke 7:36-50
Friday after Passion Sunday Jer 17:13-18 John 11:47-54
Saturday after Passion Sunday Jer 18:18-23 John 12:10-36
Palm Sunday (or Passion Sunday II) Exod 15:27; 16:1-7;
Phil 2:5-11
Matt 21:1-9 - 2nd plate - 3rd plate
& Matt 26:1-75; 27:1-66
Monday of Holy Week Isa 50:5-10 John 12:1-9
Tuesday of Holy Week Jer 11:18-20 Mark 14:1-72; 15:1-46
Wednesday of Holy Week Isa 62:11; 63:1-7  &  Isa 53:1-12 Luke 22:1-71; 23:1-53
Holy Thursday - The Lord's Supper 1 Cor 11:20-32 John 13:1-15 - second plate
Good Friday - The Crucifixion Hosea 6:1-6  &  Exod 12:1-11 John 18:1-40; 19:1-42
Holy Saturday - Easter VigilNote: In 1951, the number of OT readings at the Easter Vigil was reduced from twelve to four, retaining only # 1, 4, 8 (v. 1 dropped), and 11. Thus, only four readings were prescribed between 1951 and 1969:
  1) Gen 1:1--2:2
  2) Exod 14:24—15:1a
  3) Isa 4:2-6
  4) and Deut 31:22-30.
1)  Gen 1:1-31; 2:1-2
2)  Gen 5:32—8:21 (excerpts; 48 vv.)
3)  Gen 22:1-19
4)  Exod 14:24-31; 15:1a
5)  Isa 54:17; 55:1-11
6)  Baruch 3:9-38
7)  Ezek 37:1-14
8)  Isa 4:1-6
9)  Exod 12:1-11
10)  Jonah 3:1-10
11)  Deut 31:22-30
12)  Dan 3:1-24
NT:  Col 3:1-4
Matt 28:1-7 - more plates
DAY FIRST READING GOSPEL READING
Easter Sunday - The Resurrection of the Lord 1 Cor 5:7-8 Mark 16:1-7 - more plates
Monday in Octave of Easter Acts 10:37-43 Luke 24:13-35
Tuesday in Octave of Easter Acts 13:16, 26-33 Luke 24:36-47
Wednesday in Octave of Easter Acts 3:13-15, 17-19 John 21:1-14 - second plate
Thursday in Octave of Easter Acts 8:26-40 John 20:11-18
Friday in Octave of Easter 1 Pet 3:18-22 Matt 28:16-20
White Saturday (in Octave of Easter) 1 Pet 2:1-10 John 20:1-9
Low Sunday or White Sunday (Octave of Easter) 1 John 5:4-10 John 20:19-31
Second Sunday after Easter 1 Pet 2:21-25 John 10:11-16
Third Sunday after Easter 1 Pet 2:11-19a John 16:16-22
Fourth Sunday after Easter James 1:17-21 John 16:5-14
Fifth Sunday after Easter James 1:22-27 John 16:23-30
Rogation Days (Mon-Wed before Ascension) James 5:16-20 Luke 11:5-13
Vigil of the Ascension Eph 4:7-13 John 17:1-11
Ascension of the Lord (Thursday) Acts 1:1-11 Mark 16:14-20 - second plate
Sunday in the Octave of Ascension 1 Pet 4:7b-11 John 15:26-27; 16:1-4
Saturday Vigil of Pentecost 1)  Gen 22:1-19
2)  Exod 14:24-31; 15:1
3)  Deut 31:22-30
4)  Isa 4:1-6
5)  Baruch 3:9-38
6)  Ezek 37:1-14
NT:  Acts 19:1-8
John 14:15-21
Pentecost Sunday Acts 2:1-11 John 14:23-31
Monday in Octave of Pentecost Acts 10:34, 42-48 John 3:16-21
Tuesday in Octave of Pentecost Acts 8:14-17 John 10:1-10
Ember Wednesday of Pentecost Acts 2:14-21  &  Acts 5:12-16 John 6:44-52
Thursday in Octave of Pentecost Acts 8:5-8 Luke 9:1-6
Ember Friday of Pentecost Joel 2:23-24, 26-27 Luke 5:17-26
Ember Saturday of Pentecost Joel 2:28-32;  Lev 23:9-11, 15-17, 21;
Deut 26:1-11;  Lev 26:3-12;
Dan 3:47-51, 52-56;  Rom 5:1-5
Luke 4:38-44
Feast of the Most Holy Trinity (First Sunday after Pentecost) Rom 11:33-36 Matt 28:18-20
Weekdays after First Sunday after Pentecost 1 John 4:8-21 Luke 6:36-42
Corpus Christi (Thursday after Trinity Sunday) 1 Cor 11:23-29 John 6:56-59
Sunday in the Octave of Corpus Christi
(Second Sunday after Pentecost)
1 John 3:13-18 Luke 14:16-24
Sacred Heart of Jesus
(Friday after the Octave of Corpus Christi)
Eph 3:8-12, 14-19 John 19:31-37
Sunday in the Octave of the Sacred Heart of Jesus
(Third Sunday after Pentecost)
1 Pet 5:6-11 Luke 15:1-10
Fourth Sunday after Pentecost Rom 8:18-23 Luke 5:1-11
Fifth Sunday after Pentecost 1 Pet 3:8-15a Matt 5:20-24
Sixth Sunday after Pentecost Rom 6:3-11 Mark 8:1-9 - related plate
Seventh Sunday after Pentecost Rom 6:19-23 Matt 7:15-21
Eighth Sunday after Pentecost Rom 8:12-17 Luke 16:1-9
Ninth Sunday after Pentecost 1 Cor 10:6-13 Luke 19:41-47 - related plate
Tenth Sunday after Pentecost 1 Cor 12:2-11 Luke 18:9-14
Eleventh Sunday after Pentecost 1 Cor 15:1-10 Mark 7:31-37
Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost 2 Cor 3:4-9 Luke 10:23-37
Thirteenth Sunday after Pentecost Gal 3:16-22 Luke 17:11-19
Fourteenth Sunday after Pentecost Gal 5:16-24 Matt 6:24-33
Fifteenth Sunday after Pentecost Gal 5:25-26; 6:1-10 Luke 7:11-16 - related plate
Sixteenth Sunday after Pentecost Eph 3:13-21 Luke 14:1-11
Seventeenth Sunday after Pentecost Eph 4:1-6 Matt 22:34b-46
Ember Wednesday in September Amos 9:13-15  &  Neh 8:1-10 Mark 9:16-28
Ember Thursday in September Hosea 14:2-10 Luke 7:36-50
Ember Saturday in September Lev 23:26-32;  Lev 23:39-43;
Micah 7:14, 16, 18-20;  Zech 8:14-19;
Dan 3:47-51, 52-56;  Heb 9:2-12
Luke 13:6-17
Eighteenth Sunday after Pentecost 1 Cor 1:4-8 Matt 9:1-8
Nineteenth Sunday after Pentecost Eph 4:23-28 Matt 22:1-14
Twentieth Sunday after Pentecost Eph 5:15-21 John 4:46b-53
Twenty-first Sunday after Pentecost Eph 6:10-17 Matt 18:23-35
Twenty-second Sunday after Pentecost Phil 1:6-11 Matt 22:15-21
Twenty-third Sunday after Pentecost Phil 3:17-21; 4:1-3 Matt 9:18-26
*Twenty-fourth & Last Sunday after Pentecost Col 1:9-14 Matt 24:15-35
DAY FIRST READING GOSPEL READING
http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Roman_Missal.htm





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